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Here is where occasionally you will see my newest projects, and hear my two cents worth of thought.

Many of you all ready know that I try to help Loren some by graining hides for him throughout the spring and summer. Sometimes I also fill in for a few minutes of stretching or some other "short" help.  Well, this summer I decided to do a start to finish braintan hide.  So here is a picture of my success.

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I am thrilled with my results. Of course I had lots of free instructions coming my way too. Sometimes this was helpful and sometimes full of laughter. He can make things look so easy. I hope to do a second hide once this heat breaks. I must admit though my hide is soft, it is not as soft as my husband's hides. I did find out that the whole hide tanning process is filled with small little steps that are each very important in their own way. Of course I already knew this by seeing the process happen repeatedly over the years, however braintan is very much a a tactile (touch and feel) process so the hands on brought a better understanding. It did reinforce many of the things that I already knew. For instance Loren has two wring poles. I used them both at different times in process, but found that the lower one was much easier for me to wring on than the one that was only 2 to 3 inches higher. Working with Loren reminded me of working with my father in his tin shop. Surprise, Surprise! Both of them have much more hand strength than me. This makes certain steps take longer for me or makes me have to find my own way of doing it.  An example of this would be, yes, I can wring a hide, but I cannot manage to get as much of the moisture out of a hide as Loren can.  Loren drapes the hide over the wring pole and hand squeezes a lot of the moisture out before even making the hide doughnut. I had to divide the hide in two sections the part hanging in front of the pole and the part hanging behind the pole in order to hand squeeze the hide with any efficiency at all. When I wring the hide I all ways have to stop a twist or two short of what Loren wrings, this means that when I end up at the softening stage I start with a wetter hide to begin with so I just have to work a little longer at that stage. I said this before, and now I believe it even more: the height and breath of your tools can make a difference of a hard job and an almost impossible job. Loren and I both like different tools for graining. My favorite scraper is 2 to 3 inches shorter than his. LOL Surprise, Surprise! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-1-2011 Well, I must be a glutton for punishment. lol I've started my second hide. I fleshed and grained it last Fri. and Sat. Oh, is this one different from the first! I took so long fleshing it that Loren came to check on me. lol I wanted to get all the flesh off of the very edges because I don't like graining when someone leaves a small roll of fat on the edge of the hide. It makes it harder to grain to the very edge of the hide and also cause more splashes to the face. lol He is definitely much more time efficient at fleshing than I. Second, when I went out grain it most of the hair had fallen out. I briefly though of bark tanning it, but went ahead and started graining it. You need to know that if the hair is gone or slipping real bad, I always leave that hide for Loren and choose another to grain. (Nothing like having picky help.) This hide was truly hard to grain... It made me grumble.... But I stuck it out. I did the neck too. (Again on a hard hide I often leave the neck for Loren.) I ended up cutting a little off the neck. I'm hoping that this hide will match up with the hide that I did early, so that I can make a skirt out of them. I have this feeling though that this hide will end up thicker than my first hide. Life just isn't fair. lol On the hide I grained for Loren today the grain layer came off slick as butter. It was an easy one. I even did the neck, too. I actually thought switching the hides and tanning this one. Wish I could figure out how to make all the hides I grain this easy. Well here is picture of my progress so far. Will keep you posted on how it turns out.



 

This is a blog/forum for anyone who has questions about anything related to braintanning, whether you are  trying to brain tan your own hides or just want to know how we tan without losing our brains...ask away! We don't know it all, but we'll do our best to answer or find someone who can.

 

I also plan to post braintanning tips now and then that will be useful no matter which methods you use.

The first tip is fast framing. A homemade needle, a roll or two of plastic baling twine, a little practice and presto, five minute framing! (Click for video) Remember, speed comes with practice, expect more like 20 minutes the first few times you frame a hide. But this method is much faster for me than others I have used.

 

I make my lacing needles out of wood drill bits. It takes a bit of grinding and drilling, but they already have a nice point on them and hold it better than some softer metals.

Ok, we'll try smaller pics so they won't take too long to load. Here is a hide that has been brained once and pre-stretched well, and ready for the second braining.

 

 

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Last Updated (Thursday, 04 August 2011 21:10)

 

Peeled Sumac Poles

Hello and welcome to Circle S!

This particular blog will be about my most recent barktanning experiances.

I've been doing some "bark" tanning with quebacho extract for the last few years-more or less following the ideas I got from the Hide-out forum, which go something like: 1. Flesh hide 2.Soak hide in a strong lime solution until hair slips easily. 3.Neatralize and wash out lime. 4. Pickle hide (I used Rittel's safety acid with the recommended amount of salt added) After pickling for three days or more, put the hide in a strong quebacho solution until tanned through, (can take weeks or months) rinse hide well in plain water, oil and soften.

For furs, I would either salt dry after fleshing, or air dry without salt, then go to the pickle. The other steps are the same.

Being cheap, I wanted to find a local tannic acid that I could get for free, without too much work, of course! So, when they cut down a large stand of staghorn sumac just up the road, we inquired about getting the wood that was left on the ground. No one seemed to care, so I picked up all the larger poles. Sumac doesn't usually get very big around, but some of these were 4 inches or so. These were cut during late winter, so unfortunately, I didn't get any leaves, and there wasn't much left of the red pods. By the time I'd peeled off all the bark and ended up with two packed down 30 gallon garbage cans full, it was starting to feel like work. The braintan orders poured in like usual in the spring, and the bark just set there for several months.

I had plans to mulch the bark at a relatives house, since I didn't have a mulcher, but never got around to it, and finally just forked one can full into my trap boiler, which is a old, large hot water tank with a slot cut in it lenthways. I simmered the bark for a day, never getting it really hot, then let it set for a couple weeks, while hoping Liza would pick up a large container somewhere to put it all in. Finally, we both went to the junk yard and looked at old bath tubs, but they were way too small to suit me, so it was off to the feed mill, where they said they'd just ordered a 300 gallon stock tank and it would be in Monday. That sounded a little more like it to me, no more stuffing hides into little barrels!

As of today (7/14/11) I have the tank almost half full of sumac bark and water, and have several deer and goat hides soaking, plus a few furs-(coon and one fox hide)

 

 

 

 

7/16 The hides are taking on quite a bit of color.

7/20

Well, this is a blog that tells all, the good, bad and ugly-so...I took hides out yesterday to work them over the beam, take some membrane off, etc. and found that some hides had rot starting on the flesh side.

I think the solution should have been strong enough with a ph of 4.4-but welcome other bark tanners input. We have had some really hot weather and the tub was exposed to the sun for part of the day, so I'm blaming it on the heat, as of now. I moved the tub back into the trees and added as much quebacho extract as I had on hand, about half a bucket full, put the better hides back in, and today things are looking and smelling better. I also took most of the bark solids out, as they make it difficult to stir the solution. I do tend to learn everything the hard way, but should know better, as I never leave soaking hides in the sun this time of year, even when just water soaking for braintanning.

7/30--Yesterday I snipped a peice on the necks on several hides and all were "struck through"-showing color all the way through the hide. I pulled out two of the thin hides-a small deer and a goat hide and ran them through one cycle in my washing machine to get rid of the excess  solution in them. I have also done this by just soaking them in barrels and changing water a few times. I took the spun out hides out today and oiled them with a commercial tanning oil. Mink oil is another option or any animal fat, but generally a heavier type oil then the brains or eggs used for buckskin. I worked them over the staker as they dried (had a nice warm day to work them outside) I oiled them three times and they soaked most of it up. The goat hide is darker, partly because it got more oil, and perhaps because the grain is less stretchy? The deer came out very nice and soft, the goat is not as soft, but flexible enough for bags, etc. If I were using it for moccasins or jacket material, I would soak it up and re oil, and re work until I was happy with the softness.

Here is a close up of barktanned goat on the top and deer on the bottom:

 

In my experience, having completed barktan in two weeks is unusual. Usually it's more like two months or whenever I get around to taking the hides out. Stirring them every day and having a large container where the hide isn't so bunched up seems to make thing go faster and I'm sure the warm weather causes the solution to penetrate more quickly too. I've added a couple more hides to the tub and have a lot more small, 2nd quality deer hides to work with.

Last Updated (Friday, 05 August 2011 17:39)